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		By: TheRidingInstructor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://theridinginstructor.net/doping-hunter-shows/#comments/33256&quot;&gt;Jade&lt;/a&gt;.

Jade, Thanks. That says it all! Barbara]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://theridinginstructor.net/doping-hunter-shows/#comments/33256">Jade</a>.</p>
<p>Jade, Thanks. That says it all! Barbara</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://theridinginstructor.net/doping-hunter-shows/#comments/33253&quot;&gt;Clueless in Central PA&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Clueless- thanks for sharing your really positive experiences. Experiences like yours build good lives and character. I admire what you wrote and of course, I&#039;m always in favor of saving horses. They give us so much - they deserve to receive something back. And thanks for being a longtime reader. By the way, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re actually clueless! Barbara]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://theridinginstructor.net/doping-hunter-shows/#comments/33253">Clueless in Central PA</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Clueless- thanks for sharing your really positive experiences. Experiences like yours build good lives and character. I admire what you wrote and of course, I&#8217;m always in favor of saving horses. They give us so much &#8211; they deserve to receive something back. And thanks for being a longtime reader. By the way, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re actually clueless! Barbara</p>
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		By: Jade		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 15:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article! I always tell people if you can&#039;t ride the horse without drugs you shouldn&#039;t be riding the horse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I always tell people if you can&#8217;t ride the horse without drugs you shouldn&#8217;t be riding the horse.</p>
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		By: Clueless in Central PA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Indeed!  As a child in the hunting world back in the &quot;30-years-ago-there-weren&#039;t-syringe-disposals-at-horse-shows&quot; era, I had *NO* idea that cheating could even occur. (How could one cheat on a horse/pony?!)  I was a child, but I had NO idea that my competition (or their parents, pushing...) was using the sticky stuff on their saddles to keep their legs from swinging, that they used heel inserts to have a more dramatic &quot;heels down&quot; look than mine, and had *NO IDEA* there was a thing called ace that was being used at horse shows - or even at lessons.  Despite that my parents refused to get me the &quot;overhorse&quot; pony as a child, I still was in the high ribbons, and had to LEARN how to keep my legs still, my heels downs, and how to ride my kind and gentle ponies from chipping in at the fences.  Looking back, I still remember the looks of incredulousness -- though I didn&#039;t understand it at the time -- as my family would show up in our little rag-tag van and little bumper pull next to the big multi-horse rigs, etc., with these little &quot;nothing spectacular&quot; ponies...  And you know what?  I still beat the cheaters!  Because I had the real skill and (my whole family) put in the real time, and it was obvious. 

Only later, after *legitimately* learning and mastering these skills with suitable, incredible pony mounts (who lived out their retirement days with us as thanks for their service), did I &quot;upgrade&quot; to our own, home-bred but nationally trained hunter.  At first, yes, I was WAY over-mounted on him, as I was accustomed to the sweet little ponies, and had several falls when he&#039;d take the long spot on an oxer (and I wasn&#039;t ready for that at first), bucks, and excitability.  However, through just what you said, I learned from countless hours in the saddle and working with him, developing A RELATIONSHIP with him, learned HOW to ride him, how to work with him, how to anticipate his every move.  And again, without *ANY CLUE* what others were doing around me in terms of cheating, we rose in the local circuit to be seasonal champions nearly every season, and to ultimately win a state hunter championship.  Despite that he still had a &quot;show horse&quot; excitability but listened to me because we had respect for each other.  In shows that led us there, at regional and state, people in the background on the old school VHS home videos said during my rounds things to the effect of: now there&#039;s the winner, or &quot;now that&#039;s a team&quot; as you couldn&#039;t even see my riding aids and we were in such sync with each other.  I know that people don&#039;t take the time for this anymore, and as you said, throw the horses away, but to me, I couldn&#039;t imagine subjecting horses to drugging vs taking the time needed to become the athletic horsewoman that I became, just as you suggest.

Thanks for the post -- I am long time reader, first time posting.  I just had to weigh in as it boggles my mind on all fronts on this article, the drugging, the &quot;getting rid of the horse&quot; idea, the win at all costs idea.  All of it.  It&#039;s a shame.  BTW, while I am no longer in the hunter show world (a lot to do with all that you mention above, and I don&#039;t really want to be a part of it anymore), I still ride, and operate a horse sanctuary, taking in rescues and retired horses, riding and exercising them gently/as appropriate for their ages, and letting them enjoy being horses after their long show and even amish buggy careers.  I wish as many people cared about the welfare of the actual horse as you and I, and many of your readers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed!  As a child in the hunting world back in the &#8220;30-years-ago-there-weren&#8217;t-syringe-disposals-at-horse-shows&#8221; era, I had *NO* idea that cheating could even occur. (How could one cheat on a horse/pony?!)  I was a child, but I had NO idea that my competition (or their parents, pushing&#8230;) was using the sticky stuff on their saddles to keep their legs from swinging, that they used heel inserts to have a more dramatic &#8220;heels down&#8221; look than mine, and had *NO IDEA* there was a thing called ace that was being used at horse shows &#8211; or even at lessons.  Despite that my parents refused to get me the &#8220;overhorse&#8221; pony as a child, I still was in the high ribbons, and had to LEARN how to keep my legs still, my heels downs, and how to ride my kind and gentle ponies from chipping in at the fences.  Looking back, I still remember the looks of incredulousness &#8212; though I didn&#8217;t understand it at the time &#8212; as my family would show up in our little rag-tag van and little bumper pull next to the big multi-horse rigs, etc., with these little &#8220;nothing spectacular&#8221; ponies&#8230;  And you know what?  I still beat the cheaters!  Because I had the real skill and (my whole family) put in the real time, and it was obvious. </p>
<p>Only later, after *legitimately* learning and mastering these skills with suitable, incredible pony mounts (who lived out their retirement days with us as thanks for their service), did I &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to our own, home-bred but nationally trained hunter.  At first, yes, I was WAY over-mounted on him, as I was accustomed to the sweet little ponies, and had several falls when he&#8217;d take the long spot on an oxer (and I wasn&#8217;t ready for that at first), bucks, and excitability.  However, through just what you said, I learned from countless hours in the saddle and working with him, developing A RELATIONSHIP with him, learned HOW to ride him, how to work with him, how to anticipate his every move.  And again, without *ANY CLUE* what others were doing around me in terms of cheating, we rose in the local circuit to be seasonal champions nearly every season, and to ultimately win a state hunter championship.  Despite that he still had a &#8220;show horse&#8221; excitability but listened to me because we had respect for each other.  In shows that led us there, at regional and state, people in the background on the old school VHS home videos said during my rounds things to the effect of: now there&#8217;s the winner, or &#8220;now that&#8217;s a team&#8221; as you couldn&#8217;t even see my riding aids and we were in such sync with each other.  I know that people don&#8217;t take the time for this anymore, and as you said, throw the horses away, but to me, I couldn&#8217;t imagine subjecting horses to drugging vs taking the time needed to become the athletic horsewoman that I became, just as you suggest.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post &#8212; I am long time reader, first time posting.  I just had to weigh in as it boggles my mind on all fronts on this article, the drugging, the &#8220;getting rid of the horse&#8221; idea, the win at all costs idea.  All of it.  It&#8217;s a shame.  BTW, while I am no longer in the hunter show world (a lot to do with all that you mention above, and I don&#8217;t really want to be a part of it anymore), I still ride, and operate a horse sanctuary, taking in rescues and retired horses, riding and exercising them gently/as appropriate for their ages, and letting them enjoy being horses after their long show and even amish buggy careers.  I wish as many people cared about the welfare of the actual horse as you and I, and many of your readers.</p>
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		By: TheRidingInstructor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 03:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://theridinginstructor.net/doping-hunter-shows/#comments/33245&quot;&gt;Alli Farkas&lt;/a&gt;.

Alli,
Thanks for your comment. There was a time that they actually were hunters. . .Maybe a name change is next. Barbara]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://theridinginstructor.net/doping-hunter-shows/#comments/33245">Alli Farkas</a>.</p>
<p>Alli,<br />
Thanks for your comment. There was a time that they actually were hunters. . .Maybe a name change is next. Barbara</p>
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		By: Alli Farkas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2016 02:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OH boy I thought I was going to have something to contribute to this but you have covered every angle completely and thoroughly. Couldn&#039;t agree more with every point you&#039;ve made. I guess the only thing I could add is why has this type of riding ever been called &quot;hunter&quot;? A calm horse getting the exact stride to a calculated course of jumps has never happened on an actual hunt. Do away with this ridiculous idea and most of the problem will be solved. Personally I am somewhat pleased that hunter derbies at least are recognizing that the jumps should be &quot;natural&quot; obstacles...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH boy I thought I was going to have something to contribute to this but you have covered every angle completely and thoroughly. Couldn&#8217;t agree more with every point you&#8217;ve made. I guess the only thing I could add is why has this type of riding ever been called &#8220;hunter&#8221;? A calm horse getting the exact stride to a calculated course of jumps has never happened on an actual hunt. Do away with this ridiculous idea and most of the problem will be solved. Personally I am somewhat pleased that hunter derbies at least are recognizing that the jumps should be &#8220;natural&#8221; obstacles&#8230;</p>
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